Q & A With a Christian Unschooler: Part III

by Cindy on April 1, 2011

The following is a continuation of an interview with Sonita Lewis, who blogs at Cows Don’t Moo. Part I is here. Part II is here. My post about traditional homeschooling vs. unschooling might also be of interest.

GAH: If your child loses interest in an entire subject (Math, for instance) or just a part of it (long division) after having gotten a start, do you allow him to give it up in favor of something he’d rather do?

Sonita: Funny you should use math, it’s the most often used subject used as an example of why you can’t unschool-they’ll never learn math! It’s actually the last thing I let go of, because I was thinking the same way, but turns out, it’s actually one of the easiest subjects to unschool, we use math everyday!

Yes, I do allow him to give it up in favor of whatever else…usually. Maybe it’s just my child’s personality and mine, but I remember so very, very little from my years in public school (preK-12) but, what I choose to learn, I remember to this day. They way history was taught in PS, I walked away from 14 years of education with basically no history knowledge at all! But, now I love a good book/biography or movie/documentary about history.

My oldest son is quick to shut down when frustrated. (I might should mention we are currently seeking a diagnosis of ADHD and SPD for him) but he’s very sensitive, very tender-hearted and if frustrated and forced to ‘learn’, he’s not learning anything, he simply shuts down.

With enough creativity from mom, you can work a lot of subjects into one interest. (Think unit studies.)

Forcing ‘learning’ on him teaches him nothing. It may be just what Suzie’s son or your daughter or Joan’s kids need-but it is not what my son needs. Some kids do really need, crave and thrive on structure, routine, predictability, to-do lists, etc. My son doesn’t.

And that we have to force all kids to learn is not backed by anything other than blindly believing it because of compulsory attendance laws.

My oldest spent 2 years in PS. Let me tell you, that forcing him to do his schoolwork thing totally backfired! He go to where all he ever wanted to do in his free time was play video games. He quit asking questions about things. He didn’t want to be near a book. I couldn’t even get him to let me read to him for fun! He’d cry if he saw a book coming at him! No joke!

Now, he gets excited about going to the library, sleeps with his science book, has checked out every book our library has on reptiles or amphibians, loves the used book store, will at times pick a book over a toy as a reward.

GAH: I listen to my children’s opinions about what we’re doing, but I don’t allow them to say no if I believe they need to tackle a particular subject. Isn’t allowing your child to say what he won’t do teaching him that his desires are the most important consideration?

I don’t think so. He isn’t allowed to tell me no on hardly anything. Most parents allow their children some control in their lives. Do you kids ever pick out what to eat? What to wear? What sport to play? What movie to watch?

I’m very strict with what my kids can watch on TV. They know this and (currently) accept it without question (as I have explained that I don’t let them watch some things because they are for adults only or older kids or have bad things int hem, etc).

If there is a topic I want my son to learn, I can usually come up with a way for him to want to do it anyway. I get creative. I don’t like dry history textbooks, so I learn history through biographies or documentaries. Same with my kid–he’ll be open to learning anything if I offer up a documentary, hands-on activity, or a field trip. So if a book doesn’t work, I look for a Netflix video or field trip or hands on activity then we can double back and get the book.

I’d like to add one thing that you didn’t ask. I want to say that I don’t think different always equals wrong (in a Biblical sense). I don’t think there is only going to be one denomination of Christians in Heaven. I think man’s view of religion and expectations clouds our view sometimes about what is really important. I think it’s funny, we’ve been doing the same thing for quite some time now, and no one ever had a problem with it until I used the term “unschool”.

Up until I started my Christian unschooling series, no one said what I was doing was unbiblical or unchristian.  Up until I labeled it stopped shying away from the unschooling label, no one thought I was a bad parent or bad Christian, everyone thought what I was doing was great. We haven’t changed what we do, I just called it by a different name….

Just something people might want to think about before judging others so harshly as to call their different style unbiblical.

GAH: Thank you, Sonita! You’ve given me a lot to think about. I’ll never be an unschooler (about which,  more later), but I think you’ve represented Christian unschooling well. I gather that secular unschoolers wouldn’t even call what you’re doing “unschooling”. You seem to have done away with the worst aspects of it, which are more akin to unparenting than unschooling.

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{ 7 comments }

Mary Jo April 1, 2011 at 12:40 am

Sonita, I understand that there are different learning styles for different children. I also understand that, as homeschoolers, we defeat our own purposes by trying to replicate traditional schooling. And I definitely hope that you don’t feel like you’ve been labeled as “unchristian” by the readers of this blog. The way we teach our children will not make us gain or lose a place in Heaven.

But, if we are followers of Christ, shouldn’t it be our desire to seek His Word, that we may discover His will for our lives and not just bend to our own whims and fancies? I think so.

Isn’t that why we were having this discussion? To get a glimpse at another perspective and to see if it lines up with God’s Word? So far, I have to say that I don’t believe unschooling is biblical. Of course, that’s just my opinion, but I have tried to look at it in the light of what God clearly reveals about our sinful natures and the responsibility that parents have to mold their children. Unschooling (as it has been presented here) does not seem to fit.

As I’ve said before, much of what you’re saying appeals to me; that is, to my flesh– my inbred desire to let go of self-discipline and do everything “by the seat of my pants.” But I strongly believe that God’s Word teaches us differently. Paul said that he disciplined himself and brought his body under subjection that he might not bring disgrace to the name of Christ. We are told through-out the New Testament that self-discipline, self-control, and mortification are to be common-place in our Christian lives. I truly think that you are doing your children a disservice by not teaching them this at a young age. But then again, you are responsible for them, not me, and my children definitely have plenty of room for more discipline, so I’ll be quiet now and let the Holy Spirit do His job in all of our hearts.

Thanks for answering all the questions! Blessings to you and your family!

Jessica
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April 1, 2011 at 8:29 am

I completely understand what you’re saying about Paul and about being disciplined. I do.

But it seems to be based off the assumption that SELF-discipline is something that can be forced from an outside authority. Which seems kind of like an oxymoron. Yes, we can guide and influence and mold and disciple our children (and that is certainly our job!), but we cannot force them into a certain character trait or belief. In fact, if forced too hard, children (and adults) will actually rebel against the system being imposed on them.

Which is probably why many of us today are rebelling against an educational mindset that has little to do with the spiritual. Or even practicality and reality.

And I think that is why most of today’s atheists are children of the church. They had a system of rules and religion forced on them, instead of a relationship based on grace.

Cindy April 4, 2011 at 2:52 pm

Good grief, there’s a lot to unpack in that comment. I may get 3 or 4 blog posts out of it. Thanks. :0)

Sonita @ CowsDontMoo.com
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April 1, 2011 at 5:29 pm

“We are told through-out the New Testament that self-discipline, self-control, and mortification are to be common-place in our Christian lives. I truly think that you are doing your children a disservice by not teaching them this at a young age. ”

I am teaching them this. I just don’t see the need to use curriculum and a school-like atmosphere or attitude to do so.

What to academics of reading and writing and math and science and social studies have to do with self-disciple? These are a character issue, a heart issue, not an academic one.

leah ramirez April 5, 2011 at 1:53 am

But, if we are followers of Christ, shouldn’t it be our desire to seek His Word, that we may discover His will for our lives and not just bend to our own whims and fancies?

just wanted to say, that I really llike this comment. very well written ( unlike mine :) What I see as a Christian unschooler of 5 myself, is that this is EXACTLY what we are doing. I educate my children by following through prayer, Gods will for my children. We nuture the God given gifts and desires that our children have. One of my children ( at least) has been called into the ministry. His desire is to learn more about full time ministry. My job as facilitator is to guide, educate, diciple, and learn wiith him ALL that is needed for this. He is now seeing importance in certian areas of education where as before it wasnt important. ( didnt learn it) now he is soaking it up. Why? well I believe its a few reasons. Maturity as a teen. interest now that he has a reason to learn, and most importantly he through his own self- disipline, sees the need. Something I couldnt have taught him even if I tried. He wants to get a Masters of divinity!! a MASTERS!! my kid !! yea!! and thats just the oldest. I have a chef, astronaut, waitress and lego champion in the stands ( as of now…baby still to young :) What I am saying is that I see from the beginning, midde and coming up on the end that unschooling has given my kids a joy, a interest in learning, there is no “you must” because all on their own “they want”

Jeanine Byers Hoag
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April 2, 2011 at 12:07 pm

“I gather that secular unschoolers wouldn’t even call what you’re doing “unschooling”. You seem to have done away with the worst aspects of it, which are more akin to unparenting than unschooling.”

Totally agree that radical unschooling = unparenting!

We do Waldorf homeschooling but there are elements of unschooling woven in occasionally. I let him choose some of the books we’d use, asked him about some of the activities he’d prefer (sort of a forced choice, but still a choice).

Jeanine

Jessica
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April 30, 2011 at 8:33 am

Happened upon this series again this morning, and rereading some of the comments led me to want to share a wonderful post that one of my Radical Unschooling Christian friends wrote last night that articulates (much better than I did) why Radical Unschooling (and along with that, mindful parenting) ISN’T unparenting and isn’t just letting your kids do whatever harmful, destructive thing they want without “punishing” them.

http://www.jennifermcgrail.com/2011/04/gentle-discipline-so-what-do-you-do.html

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